Monday, June 25, 2007

Thoughts on Joe Kennedy Part I


14 comments:

Lou Minatti said...

What's the deal with the Chief Haterz posting about the Kennedy family lately?

Ogg the Caveman said...

Damn, over an hour late for Murst! I'm just not on top of my game today.12

Akubi, I'm not exactly sure what thoughts you're trying to convey here, so I don't have much to say that's topical. I just posted to say that I'm watching The Ninth Gate, in which a body is found floating in a pond with koi and stuff.

Schnapps said...

I also am not sure. Can I blame my nationality again?

Akubi said...

Lou,
Perhaps to derail the trolls?

Ogg,
Aaah, I forgot all about the koi pond scene.

Ogg and Schnapps,
I was referring to Rosemary Kennedy. Shortly after the photo at the bottom was taken (on the right), Joe Kennedy decided she needed a lobotomy for mood swings. She remained institutionalized for the rest of her life.

NotAnOptimist said...

I. Hate. Lobotomies. (or rather, people who think others "need" lobotomies. Because really, it's just soooo much better to see someone reduced to a pile of slobbering emptiness.) I also hate mental institutions with a passion. I hate these more than I hate Casey Serin. Oh, I feel very strongly on this subject.

Rebecca said...

Interesting deal with the Devil that Joe Kennedy did. Claimed the males of every generation. Is only Teddy and the rapist left? Oh, yeh. and Patrick.

Ogg the Caveman said...

Ah, yes, I knew about that but couldn't place the pictures. I guess that puts a pretty clear upper limit on my age.

I wonder how the families of lobotomy patients like Rosemary Kennedy felt when the results became clear. Did they think it was a fair trade? Peace at any price? Or did they feel the kind of loss that one would hope they'd experience on irretrievably losing a family member? I can't imagine dealing with it.

Blindly rooting around in the brain with pointy objects... sheer butchery.


Aaah, I forgot all about the koi pond scene.


Mmm, and then it got weird. I was sort of half-watching the movie while going through my stuff and throwing out lots that I don't want to take with me. Viewed like that, the weirdness overpowers the plot. Fortunately I had Emmanuelle Seigner's unspeakable hotness to keep me semi-engaged.

Akubi said...

notanoptimist,
Yeah, I'd say lobotomies are worth hating on. As far as mental institutions, I see so many homeless people who could benefit from a well-run mental hospital, I'm not entirely averse to them.

Rebecca,
I assume you're referring to the Kennedy Curse?

Ogg,
The worst part about it is that - as I understand it - Joe didn't tell Rose Kennedy about the procedure beforehand. Personally, I would never forgive him and don't know how she could.

NotAnOptimist said...

@akubi
It's a rare thing to find a "well-run" mental institution. Unless you define "well-run" as "we don't give a rat's tail for your well-being, you crazy idiot".

Akubi said...

notanoptimist,
Honestly, I'm not all that familiar with the current state of mental institutions. However, if there were such thing as a well-run mental institution, there are plenty of homeless people who could probably benefit from one.

NotAnOptimist said...

@akubi
Agreed. Had a longer response, but it'd just be me ranting against institutions, so I'll just say this: there are well-run mental institutions. They're just really, really rare. And the rest of the institutions out there are just... well, think of solitary confinement, it's kinda like that. So the homeless wouldn't be "helped", not the way you would think... they'd just have to give up their freedom for food and shelter.

If you want to discuss this more, shoot me an email.

Akubi said...

NotanOptimist,
Doesn't _everyone_ give up their freedom for food and shelter?

NotAnOptimist said...

@Akubi,
That may be... but most people can at least delude themselves into thinking they can leave their 8'x10' cell whenever they want.

Akubi said...

NotanOptimist,
Well, you have something to be optimistic about. It appears you will be the Casey to Success champion!
BTW, I added your blog to the
Caseypedia list
but thought you might want to include a more appropriate description.